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Toby Atkin-Wright ([personal profile] tobyaw) wrote2012-11-30 08:09 pm

The victims of phone hacking

According to news reports today, David Cameron has been accused of betraying the victims of phone hacking. In taking a principled stand against statutory regulation of the press in England, Cameron, like Alex Salmond has done in Scotland, is articulating a liberal position that I find very easy to agree with.

Many of the victims of the misbehaviour of the tabloid press have seen criminal cases develop from their stories. People have been jailed for phone hacking, and there are many pending criminal prosecutions. It is right that the victims have their opinions heard where a criminal act has occurred, and when it relates to the crime and the punishment for that crime.

But to be a victim of a specific criminal behaviour is a long way from making one an expert in the industry that encompasses the criminals. These victims — particularly the high profile media personalities — have their own agenda and are working with effective pressure groups to influence parliament. They cannot be expected to care about the impact that regulation may have on the newspaper industry, or to value traditional freedoms when they run counter to their immediate interests.

And I’m filled with the urge to stick my fingers in my ears and say “la la la” every time that Hugh Grant appears on the news.

[identity profile] makyo.livejournal.com 2012-11-30 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks. This gave me the last little push I needed to go and sign the petition calling for the recommendations of the Leveson Report to be implemented in full.
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[personal profile] ggreig 2012-12-02 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
I disagree about the "anti-democratic" nature of those things. They're a way of increasing the visibility of a point of view. People are often fearful of change, and of standing out from the crowd. Making it obvious that there's a crowd to join gives such people greater confidence to express their real opinions.

Is that all sad and rather pathetic? Absolutely! Nonetheless, it's human nature and we have to work with it.

It's also an opportunity to get publicity for the arguments, so that more people may be convinced, which may be a little more to your taste.

You're probably right that petitions and protest marches tend to have little immediate effect (although there are exceptions, such as England's poll-tax riots, as opposed to the peaceful protests in Scotland that changed nothing). But longer term, they can build awareness and possibly help (indirectly, obviously) to change opinion.
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[personal profile] ggreig 2012-12-02 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Whereas I see effective government as improving the quality of life of its citizens, as broadly as possible but especially for the most vulnerable. If it has a small impact, it's failing. Which is why we seldom agree on these things :-)

Of course, some of that quality of life derives from freedom from government interference, so it's a balancing act.

Petitions and democracy

[identity profile] houstonjames.livejournal.com 2012-12-07 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the approach used in some other places: Switzerland, California, various others.

A petition is a useful indicator of the strength of public opinion on an issue. Not, in itself, reason to *act* - but reason to investigate further. In those cases, the approach is that any issue reaching a certain number of petition signatures must then be put to a binding referendum, which of course delivers a much more useful indicator of democratic opinion on an issue: a bad idea with 100,000 vocal supporters still won't get anywhere that way.

I do wonder how many of the signatories to that petition have actually read all the 2,000-odd pages and fully considered the 92 policy recommendations they are demanding be enacted ... if any.

[identity profile] cuboid-ursinoid.livejournal.com 2012-12-01 10:42 am (UTC)(link)
Part of the problem I have is that supporting statutory regulation means I have to trust the politicians and supporting beefed up self regulation means having to trust the press. At the risk of stating the obvious I don't trust either much. Both are capable of behaving ethically. Both fail to do so rather too often for my liking. I do think we need a strong press to help hold politicians to account. I also think the little guy (the ones who can't afford to hire Max Clifford) need some protection. I guess we are damned either way.